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Llowarch Hwlbwrch ap Pyll ap Cynan §W§ (T7)

Llowarch is identified on Griffith's Pedigrees (p32) as "Lord of Meriadog and Rhos, one of the 15 tribes North of Wales" (sic). [2021 review: Griffith (p356) starts with him, identifying him as "Treasurer of Gruffydd ap Llewelyn ap Seisyllt, Prince of Wales" and mother of Llowarch Goch by ...

m. Tangwystl ("a kinswoman of Gruffydd ap Cynan, Prince of North Wales")

Llowarch Goch

Pyll

Cynon

Meilir

(1)

Llewelyn

(A)

Gruffydd

(i)

Rhys - continued below

Llowarch Vychan

There seems to be much confusion within Griffith's Pedigrees on at least one of the lines of at least one of Llowarch Vychan's sons. p392 shows that, as well as one daughter (Lleuki), there were 9 sons: Adda, Ieuan, Cadwgan (1st), Cynfrig Vychan, Dafydd, Cadwallon, Cahelyn, Madog & Cadwgan (2nd). However, noting the different ancestries given on different pages for "the Trygarn generation" (identified below) and on Ednyfed ap Hwlkin ap Bleddyn, it appears that there are (or at least may be) duplications between the descendants reported for Ieuan, one or both of the Cadwgans (both of whom are shown on p392 as having a son called Ithel Lloyd), and Cynfrig Vychan. First we show the lines of the sons whose descendants seem reasonably clearcut (although even so there is a possible duplication within the descendants of one of them) then we attempt to work out what has to be sorted out (see note @1@ below).

Adda

Delo

(1)

Llewelyn

(A)

Dafydd

m. Gwenhwyfer (dau of Howel ap Ieuan ap John, sister of Dafydd of Anglesey)

(i)

Tudur of Llanystumdry

m1. Elizabeth (dau of Ieuan ap Griffith ap Cwnws, of Anglesey)

(a)

William

m1. Jonet (dau of Griffith ap Howel ap Griffith, of Saethon)

((1))+

issue - Griffith, Robert, Hugh

m2. ?? (dau of Robin ap John ap Meredydd, of Maesog)

((4))

Evan

m. Ellen (dau of John ap Evan ap Griffith Wynn)

((A))

Richard Tudur (rector of Llanystumdwy)

((B))

Thomas Tudur

m. Catherine Williams

(b)

Gwenhwyfer

m. John ap Ifan ap Griffith Wynn

(c)

Mallt

m. Lewis ap Howel ap Rhys

(d)

Elizabeth

m. Griffith ap William ap Rhys

m2. Gwen (dau of Rowland ap Rhys ap Jenkin Vychan, of Anglesey)

(e)

Ellen (d unm)

ii.

Dafydd

Cynfrig

(1)

Llewelyn

(A)

Griffith

(i)

Griffith of Castellmarch

There is a cross-reference to p192 but that page shows no back-reference.

iii.

Cadwalon

The following comes from Griffith's Pedigrees (Pedigree of Nicholas ap Ellis, Archdeacon of Anglesey, p91).

Cynfrig

(1)

Llewelyn

(A)

Iorwerth see @2@ below

(i)

Dafydd

m. Morfydd (dau of Gruffydd ap Evan ap Sir Gruffydd Lloyd ap Howel ap Gruffydd ap Ednyfed Vychan)

(a)

Ellis

m. Mallt (dau of Hwlkin ap Bleddyn ap Ieuan ap Cynfrig Vychan ap Cadwgan)

((1))

Nicholas (a 1474, Archdeacon of Anglesey, rector of Llangilian)

m. Gwenllian (dau of Dafydd ap Evan ap Madog)

((A))

Hugh

((i))

Margaret

m. Thomas Lloyd of Llysdulas

((ii))

Annes

m. John ap Sir William ap Ieuan, of Trefeilir

((B))

Morfydd

m. Dafydd ap Robert ap Dafydd ap Gwilim ap Thomas ap Rhys ap Dafydd ap Rhys ap Ednyfed Vychan)

((i))

Catherine

m. William ap Robert, of Castellmarch (d 1562, Archdeacon of Merioneth)

((C))

Agnes (Annes)

m. Rhys ap Llewelyn ap Gruffydd, of Bodewryd (d 1500)

iv.

Cohelyn

Cyfnerth

(1)

Maelog Crwm 'of Llechweddisaf & Creuddyn' (a c1175)

Madog

@1@ Returning to the issue referred to above, we are left with 4 sons (as shown on p392) who, we think, may have been confused with each other: Ieuan, two Cadwgans, and Cynfrig Vychan. Ieuan is shown as father of Bleddyn Frych father of Hwlkin & Cynfrig. Cadwgan (1st) is shown as father of Ithel Lloyd (shown on pp276+317 as father of Cynfrig father of Cynfrig Vychan). Cynfrig Vychan is shown as father of Howel father of Iorwerth. Cadwgan (2nd) is shown as father of Ifan (father of Margaret) & Ithel Lloyd father of Cynwrig + Einion + Bleddyn. We do not like the idea of second-guessing such an accomplished genealogist as Griffith so we restrict ourselves to trying to sort out clear discrepancies between different pages in his work and leave the remainder as he showed it, doing no more than drawing your attention to our concern that there may have been further confusion.

iv.

Ieuan

The position of Ieuan shows both of the main confusions relating to the descendants of Llowarch Vychan: the one involving the ancestry of 'the 'Trygarn generation' (see below) and the one involving the ancestry of Ednyfed ap Hwlkin ap Bleddyn. On p392, Griffith shows Ieuan as father of Bleddyn Frych father (by Ann, dau of Bell) of:
1. Hwlkin, father of Ednyfed & Gruffydd
2. Cynfrig, father of Llewelyn & Richard Trygarn.
This seems to be the Evan (Ieuan or Jenkin) shown below as descended from the following Cadwgan.

vii.

Cadwgan (1st of the name)

Ithel Lloyd

p392 does not follow this line any further but shows that Ithel's descendants are given on pp276+317. The following comes from Griffith (Trygar alias Trygarn (p276) & Castelldeudraeth (p317) & Plas Gwyn & Llwynogan (p54)) and from , Griffith (Cromlech (p88) & Cefn Coch (p90)), However, the latter omit Ithel Lloyd and show Cynfrig/Cynwrig, father of Evan/Jenkin, as son of Cadwgan whilst Griffith (Brynddu, p32) omits Cadwgan as well as Ithel Lloyd, showing Cynwrig as father of Ieuan father of Bleddyn Frych.

(1)

Cynfrig (or Cynwrig)

(A)

Cynfrig Vychan

Griffith's Pedigrees (Cefn Llanfair & Madryn, p224) omits the above 2 generations and shows Cynwrig Vychan as son of Llowarch Vychan and as father of Ieuan father of Bleddyn Frych father of Cynwrig father of Richard Trygarn, Archdeacon Hugh Trygarn, Llewelyn, and others (see just below), omitting the Llewelyn we show as their father.

(i)

Evan (Ieuan or Jenkin)

(a)

Bleddyn Frych

m. Ann (dau of _ Bell, Constable of Harlech)

((1))

Cynfrig (Cynwrig)

m. Eva (dau of Rhys ap Ieuan ap Gruffydd ap Howel ap Meredydd ap Einion ap Gwgan ap Mewydd ap Collwyn ap Tangno) identified on p224

((A))

Llewelyn

Both p276 & p317 show Llewelyn as father of Richard Trygarn, Archdeacon Hugh Trygarn, Llewelyn, and others. That is the "Trygarn generation" referred to above. p54 shows only the archdeacon.

((2))

Hwlkin

((A))

Ednyfed

m. Mallt (dau of Hwlkin ap Howel, of Presaddfed)

((B))

Grufydd

((i))

Evan

((a))

Dafydd

(((1)))

William of Gadlys

((b))

Griffith

(((1)))

William

(((A)))

Ellen

viii.

Cynfrig Vychan

We suspect that this Cynfrig may have been confused with the one shown above. We think this partly because he is shown as Cynfrig Vychan ('vychan' means small and is often to mean 'the younger' though it can just mean that he was physically small) rather than just Cynfrig and partly because of the contradiction on p224 referred to above. More tellingly, however, is the point that p392 shows this Cynfrig as father of Howel father of Iorwerth, ancestor of Annes who married Whys ap Llewelyn of Bodewryd, whose line is clearly the same as that of the Iorwerth shown above as son of Llewelyn ap Cywnrig.

Howel

(1)

Iorwerth see @2@ above

ix.

Cadwgan (2nd of the name)

It is rare but not unknown for 2 siblings to share the same name. We presume that Griffith knew that he had shown two Cadwgans in this generation and follow his lead. However, we note that both Cadwgans had a son called Ithel Lloyd and so are concerned that confusion between them was not unlikely.

Ithel Lloyd

(1)

Cynwrig

(A)

Goronwy

(i)

Howel of Llyfant in Llanefydd

m. Morfydd (dau of David Lloyd ap Heilyn Frych)

(a)

Evan

m. Margaret (dau of David ap Einion Vychan)

((1))

David

m. Elizabeth (dau of David Lloyd ap Tudur)

((A))

John

m. Jonet (dau of Owen ap John ap David)

((i))

Margaret

m. Pyrs Williams

((ii))

Jane

m. William Anwyl

((iii))+

other issue - Edward, William, Robert, Thomas, Humphrey, Roger, Henry, Jane, Alice, Catherine, Elizabeth

(2)

Einion

(A)

Meredydd

(i)

Goronwy

(a)

Tudur

((1))

Ieuan

((A))

David

((i))+

issue - Ieuan, David (vicar of Castle Morton)

(3)

Bleddyn

(A)

Howel

(i)

Goronwy

(a)

Llewelyn

m. Margaret (dau of Dafydd ap Llewelyn)

((1))

John

((A))

William

m. Elizabeth (dau of Henry Conwy ap John ap Jenkin Conwy)

((i))

Margaret

m. Robert ap Meredydd ap Goronwy Dew

((a))

Richard, Bishop of London

Ifan

(1)

Margaret

m. Rowland (or Ralph) Salusbury

Lleuki

m. Griffith ap Cariadog

Pyll ap Llowarch Holbrwch possibly of this generation

Gronow Vychan ap Pyll

Gronow Voel ap Gronow Vychan

Griffith ap Gronow Voel

(1)

Yerwerth ap Griffith

(A)

Ithel ap Yerwerth

(i)

Edward ap Ithel

(a)

Katherin

m. David ap Madoc

Rhys ap Gruffydd ap Llewelyn - continued above

Meredydd

Dafydd

Howel

John

(1)

Gruffydd

(A)

Thomas Griffith (a 1575, vicar of Caerwys)

(B)

David Lloyd

m. Jonet (dau of Prys Griffith, serjeant)

Robin

Rhys

m. Angharad (dau of Gruffydd ap Gwillim ap Sir Tudur)

Robert

m. Jonet (dau of Bleddyn ap Llewelyn ap Cynfrig)

Evan

m. Susanna (dau/heir of Meredydd ap Dafydd)

(1)

David

m. Elizabeth (dau of Prys)

(A)

Prys Ieuan

m. Grace (dau/heir of Rhys ap Llewelyn)

(i)

John Evans

m. Jane (dau of John ap Ithel Wynn, of Combe)

(a)

Pyers Evans of Pant Ieuan

m. Marsli (dau of John Lloyd of Brynlluarth)

(B)

Griffith of Caerwys (a temp Henry VIII who r. 1509-1547, Serjeant-at-arms)

Main source(s): Griffith's Pedigrees (Tribe of Llowarch Hwlbwrch, p392) with input (support & contradiction) as reported above
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