'SZmisc02'Index links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered: Somery of Dudley, Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave, Shorter of Southwark, Shorter of Staines, Seignoret of Greenwich, Symkin of Alphraham, Symkin of Plymouth

John de Somery
m. Hawise Paynel (dau of Ralph Paynel of Dudley)
1. Sir Ralph de Somery of Dudley (d c1211)
  TCP (Berkeley) reports that, although Ralph is often described as Lord of Campden, it was his son Roger who obtained Campden through his 1st marriage.
  m. Margaret (dau of John FitzGilbert Mareschal)
A. Ralph de Somery (d before 1220)
  m. Ida Plantagenet (b after 1198, dau of William Plantagenet, 'Longespee', 1st Earl of Salisbury)
  B. William Perceval de Somery (d before 20.06.1222)
  i. Nicholas de Somery (d young before 04.07.1229)
  C. Roger de Somery of Dudley (d by 26.08.1273)
  m1. Nichole D'Albini (dau of William de Albini, Earl of Sussex, 3rd Earl of Arundel)
  i. Ralph de Somery (dvp by 1253)
  ii. Margaret de Somery (a 1293)
  TCP (Basset of Drayton) reports that this Margaret has been wrongly identified (by Dugdale and others) as the Margaret who married Urian de St. Pierre and then (1295) Ralph Basset of Sapcote.
  m1. Ralph Basset of Drayton (b 1227, d Evesham 04.08.1265)
  m2. (before 26.01.1270/1) Ralph de Cromwell of Cromwell (d before 18.09.1289)
  m2. (c1254) Amabil de Chaucombe (dau of Robert de Chaucombe)
iii. Roger de Somery of Dudley (b 24.06.1255, d by 11.10.1291)
  m. Agnes (d by 23.11.1308)
  a. John de Somery, Lord (b 03.1279/80, d 1322)
  m. Lucy (d before 1342)
  b. Margaret de Somery
  m. John de Sutton, later of Dudley
  c. Joan de Somery
  m. Thomas de Botetourt
  iv. Robert de Somery possibly of this generation, of this marriage
  a. Julia(n) de Somery (heir)
  m. Thomas de Luttleton of Coulesdon (a 1315, 1360)
  B. Joan de Somery (a 1273) H
  m. (c1217) Thomas de Berkeley of Berkeley Castle (b c1170, d 29.11.1243) H



Simon de Steyngreve
m. Beatrice Foliot (dau of Jordan Foliot of Frisby)
www.geneajourney.com suggests that Beatrice's father was the same person as Sir Jordan Foliot, Lord of Gressenhall but we have not seen reason to agree with that. TCP describes Beatrice as heir of her father but Sir Jordan of Gressenhall had a successor son. Furthermore, Frisby is in Lincolnshire but TCP (Foliot), which mentions many manors and their counties, does not mention any in Lincolnshire.
1. William de Steyngreve or Stonegrave
2. Piers de Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave (d by 1267-8)
3. Sir John de Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave (d before 25.04.1295)
  m. (before 1273) Ida Wake (dau of Baldwin Wake of Bourne and Liddell)
  A. Isabel de Steyngrave (d by 1324) H
  m1. (after 01.1286/7) Simon de Pateshulle of Bletsoe (d before 02.12.1295) H
  m2. Walter de Teye



John Shorter of Staines, Middlesex (d by 1614)
m. Elizabeth
1. William Shorter of Colebrook mentioned by Visitation, not Gyll
  A. William Shorter
2. John Shorter of Staines
  m. Susan Forbis (dau of Richard Forbis alias Forbanch of Send) ## see here ##
  A. Richard Shorter of St. George's in Southwark (b c1606, a 1674)
  m. Mary Whiting of Stanwell
  i. Charles Shorter (b c1653, a 1674)
  B. Sir John Shorter of Christ Church in Southwark, Sheriff then Lord Mayor of London (b c1624, d 04.09.1688)
  m. Isabella Birkin (b 1630-1, d 01.1703, dau of John Birkin (or Birkett) of Crosthwaite in Borrowdale)
  i. John Shorter of Bybrook, Kent (b 1659, d 19.11.1734)
  m. (c 07.1681) Elizabeth Philipps (b 1661-2, bur 30.07.1728, dau of Sir Erasmus Philipps, Bart)
  a. Katherine Shorter (b c1682, d 20.08.1737)
  m. (30.07.1700) Sir Robert Walpole, Prime Minister, 1st Earl of Orford (b 26.08.1676, d 18.03.1745)
  b. Charlotte Shorter (d 12.02.1733-4)
  m. (07.1716) Francis Seymour-Conway, 1st Lord Conway (b 28.05.1679, d 03.02.1731-2)
  c.+ other issue - John (a 1718, dsp), Arthur (d unm 1753), Erasmus (dsp 23.11.1753)
  ii. Thomas Shorter (a 1688)
  C. Charles Shorter of St. Saviour's in Southwark (a 1688)
  m. Susan Theobald (dau of Peter Theobald of Canterbury)
  i.+ issue - John (a 1688), Charles, Peter, William, Joshua, Caleb, Mary, Hannah (a 1688)
2. Nicholas Shorter (bur 29.05.1629) mentioned by Gyll, not Visitation
3. Henry Shorter of Colnbrook (bur 25.10.1616) mentioned by Gyll, not Visitation
  m. Margaret
  A. joanna Shorter
  m1/2. (12.12.1632?) Edward Tyrrel of St. Dunstan's
  m2/1. (12.12.1632?) Nathaniel Whetham (Colonel)
  B.+ other sisue - William of Colnbrook (a 1621), John of Colnbrook (a 1626), John (b 1614), Richard (b 1609)
4. Elizabeth Shorter mentioned by Visitation, not Gyll
  m. (c03.1614) William Walton of Staines (cordwainer)



MGH starts with 3 siblings who we show as children of ...
?? Seignoret
1. Stephen (Etienns?) Seignoret (d before 22.10.1719)
  m. Elizabeth Got (d 16.06.1734, sister of Salomon Got, "A French lady")
2. ?? Seignoret
  A. Peter Seignoret of Greenwich & Vevay (Switzerland) (d c08.1738)
  m1. Sarah Mary Couvreu (sister of John Louis & Marianne)
  i. Stephen Seignoret of Greenwich & Vevay (dsp befpre 09.10.1741)
  ii. Elizabeth Seignoret (b c1709, d 1792)
  m. William Peere Williams of Cadhay (b c1703, d 1766, brother of Sir Hutchins Williams, 1st Bart)
  m2. Margaret Allix
  iii. Isabella Margaret Seignoret
  m. (c03.1745) Charles Louis d'Erlach of Berne (son of Albert Frederic (Chamberlain) to H.I.M. Charles VI))
  B. John Henry Seignoret of France then Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire (d before 04.01.1726-7)
3. Susanne Seignoret
  m. Marc Antonine Ravand



Robert Symkin
m. (12.11.1573) Joanna Browster possibly parents of ...
1. Gilbert Symkin of Alphraham in Bunbury, Cheshire
  m. (01.11.1610) Elizabeth Houlsh of Bunbury probably parents of ...
  A. Gilbert Symkin of Alphraham
  m. Sarah Barker (dau of John Barker of Clotton, m2. John Whittington of Moresbarrow Hall)
  i. John Symkin of Plymouth & Holme Street Hall (d 25.04.1719)
  m. (before 20.07.1692) Susannah Butler
  a. Gilbert Symkin of Plymouth & Bristol _(d 15.05.1744)
  b. Sarah Symkin (bpt 07.12.1693)
  m. (1719) Henry Darell of Trewornan (dsp bur 09.07.1731)
  ii. Anne Symkin (dsp)
  m. Joseph Basnett (a 1693)

Main source(s):
(1) For Somery (uploaded 22.07.03) : TCP (Somery)
(2) For Steyngreve : TCP (Steyngreve) with input from www.geneajourney.com3
(3) For Shorter (uploaded 02.03.09, reviewed & expanded 10.11.23 using Gyll) : Visitation (London, 1664, 'Shorter)', 'History of the Parish of Wraysbury ...' (Gordon Willoughby James Gyll of Wraysbury, 1842, 'Pedigree of Shorter', p275)
(4) For Seignoret (uploaded 06.03.21) : MGH (NS1, vol 4 (1884), 'Huguenot Refugee Family of Signoret', p321)
(5) For Symkin (uploaded 07.03.21) : MGH (NS1, vol 4 (1884), 'Pedigree of Symkin, Barker, Darell, and Eaton', p354+)
[The section on St. Amand has been moved to StAmand1.]
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