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| This section first uploaded 07.09.08. | |||||||||||||||
| Garnier de Reims (b c716, d 736) | |||||||||||||||
| m. Rolande de France | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Thierry de Reims (d 772) | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Josseaume de Reims | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Remy de Reims | ||||||||||||||
| m. Arsende de Ponthieu (dau of Angilbert de Ponthieu) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Bertha de Reims | EGHJRSWY | |||||||||||||
| m. Raymond de Limoges, Count of Toulouse (d 863) | EGHJRSWY | ||||||||||||||
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| This section first uploaded 07.09.08. | |||||||||||||||
| Hernequin, Count of Boulogne | |||||||||||||||
| m. Berthe de Ponthieu (dau of Angilbert de Ponthieu) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Odakar V, Count of Boulogne | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Ingelbert I, Count of Boulogne | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Odakar VI, Count of Boulogne | ||||||||||||||
| a. | Arnoul II, Count of Boulogne | ||||||||||||||
| (1) | Mathilde de Boulogne shown by some sites as dau of Baudoin de Boulogne | GSY | |||||||||||||
| m. Ardolf I (or II) de Guisnes | GSY | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Baudouin I de Boulogne | ||||||||||||||
| (1) | Ingelbert II of (Boulogne &) Ghent (d c1032) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Hermengarde de Flanders (dau of Baldwin 'Barbu', Count of Flanders) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Raoul de Boulogne, Lord of Alost or Aalst (d by 1056) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Gisele of Luxembourg ( by 1019, d after 1058, dau of Friderich, Count of Moselgau, by Irmentrude) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Baudouin (Baldwin) I of Ghent (d 1082) | ||||||||||||||
| (a) | Baudouin (Baldwin) II of Ghent (a 1094) | ||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Baudouin (Baldwin) III of Ghent | ||||||||||||||
| m. Luitgarde of Grimberghem | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Beatrix of Ghent | ||||||||||||||
| m. Henri de Bourbourg (b 1115, d 1168) | |||||||||||||||
| ((i)) | Gauthier (Walter) de Bourbourg | ||||||||||||||
| m. Mathilde de Bethune (dau of Robert V de Bethune by Adelaine, dau of Hugh de St. Pol) | |||||||||||||||
| ((a)) | Beatrice de Bourbourg (d 1214) | GSY | |||||||||||||
| m. (before 03.1200) Arnould II, Count of Guisnes (d 1220) | GSY | ||||||||||||||
| (b) | Ralph 'the Chamberlain' | ||||||||||||||
| (c) | Gilbert de Gaunt (Gant) (d c1095) | Y | |||||||||||||
| m. Alice (dau of Hugh II de Montfort) | Y | ||||||||||||||
| (d) | Gertrude de Ghent (b 1078, d 1138) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Arnulf II, lord of Ardres | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Adeline de Ardres | ||||||||||||||
| m. Arnould of Marck and Ardres | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Christine de Marck | GSY | |||||||||||||
| m. Baldwin II, Count of Guisnes (b 1135, d 02.01.1205) | GSY | ||||||||||||||
| (B) | Folkard of Ghent | ||||||||||||||
| m. Landrade of Louvain | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Lambert II of Ghent | ||||||||||||||
| m. Mathilde de St.Omer | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | Wenemar of Ghent (b c1088) | GSY | |||||||||||||
| m1. Lutgarde | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Gisela of Guisnes (dau of Baudoin I, Count of Guisnes) | GSY | ||||||||||||||
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| This section first uploaded 13.02.20. | |||||||||||||||
| Rowland 'of Neustria' (b c805) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Croise aka Godfrey | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Baldwin | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Baldwin | ||||||||||||||
| Lodge suggests that this second Baldwin was "founder of the house of Blois in France" as well as being father of John, Earl of Comyn. That suggestion, that probably just repeated what was previously reported elsewhere, may have been what has led some web sites to show this Baldwin as one of the Baldwins of Flanders and others to connect him to Gerlon, Count of Blois. [Lodge confuses the issue even further with a reference to Baldwin, King of Jerusalem.] We view all of these connections, including the above descent, to be highly suspect and suggest that they be viewed as 'unreliable'. We understand that many early nobles wanted to be seen as a descendant of Charlemagne, identified by some as grandfather of the above Rowland, and that early researchers were sometimes paid to concoct a descent that showed such a descent. It is probable that there are many ancient manuscripts around that refer to such connections. The fact that they are ancient does not mean that they were true! | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Jean de Conteville = John 'de Burgh', Earl of Comyn, Baron of Tonsburgh | GHJRSWY | |||||||||||||
Main source(s):
(1) Sn. de Reims : various web sites
(2) Early Counts of Boulogne : various web sites, in particular www.geneall.net
(3) Descendants of Rowland : 'Peerage of Ireland' (Lodge, revised by Mervyn Archdall, vol 1, 1789, 'De Burgh, Earl of Clanricarde', p117)
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