'Norwich1'
Index links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered: Norwich of Bringhurst, Norwich (Lords)
| (1) Over 2022-23 we took much information from Nichols's inpressive works on Leicestershire. However, some of his work on certain early families show over-reliance on sources that are in our opinion, not to be relied on. The following illustrates this. (2) Nichols, who starts this pedigree with the following Ralph, identifies the Norwich family's arms, quartered (in six) with those of Olton, Holt, Brampton & Hastings, as "1. Parted per pale, Gules and Azure, a lion rampant Ermine; Norwich. 2. Ermine, a fess engrailed Azure: Norwich also". |
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| Ralph, Earl of Cambridge & Norfolk who m. sister to Roger, Earl of Hereford | |||||||||||||||
| This appears to be Ralph de Gael (or de Waer), 2nd Earl of Norfolk & Suffolk who m. Emma, dau William FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford, sister of Roger, 2nd Earl. | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Roger Bigot or Bigod ("steward of the house to Hen. I") who m. Adeliza, dau/coheir of Hugo Grentemaisnell | ||||||||||||||
| Noting that Roger & Adeliza are shown as parents of William, Hugh (m1. Juliana, dau of Aubrey de Vere m2. Gundreda), Matilda (m. William de Pincerna) & Gumar (m1. Robert of Essex, m2. Hamon de St. Clere), this is clearly the Roger (d 1107) shown here. | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | William Bigot (d 05.11.1120, "drowned with the children of Henry I") | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Hugh Bigot | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Simon, Earl of Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| We cannot find such a Simon, or son Ranulph/Ralph, in TCP as either Earl of Norwich or Earl of Norfolk. | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Ranulph, Earl of Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Simon de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| ii. | Nicholas de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| Somewhat arbitrarily, we switch at this generation from showing names in italics, to indicate that they are included to show what Nichols reported even though we believe that they are almost certainly wrong, to showing them in normal font. Given the caution noted below, we suggest that the ret of this section should still be viewed with caution. | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Henry de Norwich (a 1262) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Isolda | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Henry de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| (A) | Henry de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| m. Jane (dau/heir of Robert de Bringhurst of Broughton, Bringhurst, etc) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Simon de Norwich of Bringhurst (a 1350) | ||||||||||||||
| (a) | John de Norwich of Bringhurst (a 1373) | ||||||||||||||
| It does look as though there are too many generations between here and the start of the continuation page. | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Simon de Norwich of Bringhurst (a temp Edward III who r. 1327-1377) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margery Holt, heiress of Brampton, etc. (dau/coheir of Peter Holt by Margery Hotot) | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Amabilia de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| m. Ralph de Passelow (a 1270) | |||||||||||||||
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| BE1883 ('Norwich') identifies the arms of this family as "Per pale gu. and az. a lion rampant, ermine". That indicates a possible connection to the family shown above. However, BE1883 suggests that the following Walter was descended ftom Geoffrey de Morwich (a temp John who r. 1199-1216). TCP notes that "A number of contemporary families took their name from the city of Norwich. Considerations of time, place and profession make it probable that Walter derived from the family of Norwich of whom Richard, son of Henry de Norwich, in 1272 gave a bond ...". | |||||||||||||||
| Walter de Norwich 'of Mettingham', Sheriff of Norfolk, Treasurer (d 1329, Chief Baron of the Exchequer) | |||||||||||||||
| m. Catherine (dau of Sir John de Hedersete, widow of Piers Braunche) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Sir John de Norwich, 1st Lord (d 1362) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margery (d 1366) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir Walter de Norwich (dvp 1360) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret (d 1395) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir John de Norwich, 2nd Lord (dsp 1373) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Valerine Stapleton (dau of Sir Miles Stapleton of Bedale) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Eleanor Fraunceys (a 1376, dau of Richard Fraunceys (son of John of Wimpole) by Elizabeth de Huntingfield) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Margaret de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1353, sp) John Playz, later 5th Lord (son of Richard Playz) | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | Sir Roger de Norwich (dsp 1371) | ||||||||||||||
| 3. | Sir Thomas de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Catherine de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert de Breuse (dsp before 12.07.1325) | |||||||||||||||
| 4. | Margaret de Norwich (d 1358) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Thomas de Cailly, Lord of Buckenham (dsp before 30.07.1316) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Robert de Ufford, 1st Earl of Suffolk (b 09.08.1298, d 04.11.1369) | |||||||||||||||
| 5. | Cicely de Norwich | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Roger de Huntingfield (d 1357) | |||||||||||||||
Main source(s):
(1) For upper section : 'History and Antiquities of the County of Leicester' (John NichoÏs, vol 2, part 2, 1798, 'Pedigree of Norwich of Bringhurst and of Brampton juxta Dingley', p519)
(2) For lower section (originally uploaded 16.05.07 to NZmisc02, reviewed 21.03.23) : TCP ('Norwich')
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